They never swept their floor. They were only interested in punk rock. They were generally disagreeable to people who came in there who were not into punk rock. It just seemed like they didn't care, like they knew that you were going to have to come there anyway. And so they couldn't give a rat's ass about the business. I know the roaster and he makes some bitchen beans, and the downtown blackwater (the little closet sized place) is amazing in it's quality and service. Maybe they'll pick it up. Who knows.

And the whole city ordinance thing was not the issue. They worked that out with the City after Mayor Chavez came to their rescue. Besides, what with the post "Diamondgate" thing that happenened, the Record was reporting and shedding further light on the issue of music/entertainment permits. The City responded with hearings about the whole process. What happened there?

I don't think they knew how to run the place. But dig this, I bet you could buy the place for pennies on the dollar and have a profitable business if you were willing to run it and do it yourself. A year ago I would have jumped at the chance. I hope someone does. And cafes are hard to run in the post Starbucks world. I mean, ask the guys who ran the Latte Lounge that lasted 6 months last year. Or the Sutter Cafe, which was just kicked out last month. The coffeehouse as a business model is not what it used to be.

BTW-- How is the Oxygen Cafe where the CafDen was? THey have music. Also the place that openned in the lobby of the theater there across Pacific there is also slated to have entertainment. Also there's a nightclub where the old Fat Lamberts was on Hunter that needs to be checked out. I think they're into Hip Hop. And then there's the Blue Taboo out on Hwy 4 that's going to have house music on 2/24! So there's stuff to do. You just gotta know about it.

Stockton needs a good new venue that has its door open to all types of sounds. The funny thing is, Stockton officials dont really want a night life in stockton, there has been accouple of occations where someone tried to start up a club and the city turned it down, one of them being a Jazz club that was to open downtown about 2-3 years back.

I think we should compile a list of venues and start throwing little functions around town. I'll be starting with my shindigs in october if all goes well. I've also inquired about a spot outside of stockton right on the delta. Maybe a summer jam out there or something. thoughts???? other venues????

I was looking at the stockton fairgrounds to throw a party. Its pretty cheap at $750 for a building that fits 300, but that area is crappy. I also checked out Sutter Street Cafe, Nice but no booz!! Venues?? anyone??

I'm currently looking to open a recording studio/live concert venue in Stockton somewhere, but I've been having some small problems finding a suitable, available location. If anybody's got any information or help, please contact me at danielsmusic00@yahoo.com. We've really got to get the music ball rolling around here, we've got too much untapped talent, and I want to help everyone get to where they want to be.

BTw-- THe place is back open! It's got a lot of bands playin and has a Myspace page. It needs a Tribe!!!!

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